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Geometric LTV vs Heterogeneous-Churn LTV (Fader-Hardie sBG)
At a glance
| Dimension | Geometric LTV | sBG LTV |
|---|---|---|
| Survival assumption | Same constant survival p for every customer | Individual churn q~Beta(α,β), constant within customer |
| Contribution LTV | Σ S(t)×E[c_t|active]/(1+d)^t | Same contribution definition with fitted sBG S(t) |
| Initial vs future-only | c/(1-p) vs c×p/(1-p), at d=0 | c×(α+β-1)/(α-1) vs c×β/(α-1), at d=0 and α>1 |
| Correction direction | Depends on which hazard is extrapolated | No universal downward adjustment |
| Data requirement | Evidence for stationarity; aggregate revenue retention is insufficient | Renewal-period customer survival, exposure and censoring |
| Validation | Compare held-out forecasts and finite-horizon scenarios | Compare held-out cohorts/periods and tail sensitivity |
| Limitation | Stationarity can miss tenure, regime or segment changes | Fixed individual hazards can miss changing behavior or regime |
| Foundation | Geometric probability model | Fader & Hardie (2007), methodological foundation |
When to use Geometric LTV
Use a geometric model as an explicit baseline or scenario when constant survival and contribution are defensible. A single aggregate revenue-churn value does not establish customer survival. When evidence is weak, show a finite-horizon sensitivity range or decline a decision-grade forecast.
When to use sBG LTV
Use sBG when renewal-period cohort survival suggests churn heterogeneity and the model fits the observation process. Fit churn parameters to customer counts, account for censoring, and evaluate held-out periods and cohorts. Cohort duration alone does not establish identification or forecast quality.
Trade-offs
With constant contribution c, survival p and zero discount, a geometric model gives c/(1-p) including the initial payment and c×p/(1-p) for future payments only. Use monthly contribution with monthly survival, or annual contribution with annual survival. For churn probability q~Beta(α,β), sBG survival is S(t)=B(α,β+t)/B(α,β), with S(0)=1. The undiscounted expected number of paid periods including the initial payment is (α+β-1)/(α-1) for α>1. Future-only periods equal β/(α-1). The infinite sum diverges for α≤1 when contribution is positive; finite-horizon and discounted values remain distinct calculations. There is no universal 20–60% downward correction. At the same initial churn, heterogeneity leaves a more persistent survivor population and can produce a longer mean lifetime. A late-cohort hazard applied to new customers can instead overstate their value. The direction depends on the comparison, timing, data and model fit. These are survival models, not complete cash-flow models. Conditional contribution, pricing, support, inference, retention and expansion costs can change with tenure. Validate those inputs before using LTV to set an acquisition budget.
Frequently asked questions
What does sBG assume?
Each customer has a fixed churn probability drawn from a Beta distribution. Cohort survival can change because the mix of remaining customers changes, even without an intervention. This does not prove the assumption holds in a particular business.
Does sBG always reduce LTV?
No. Matched on initial churn, heterogeneity can increase expected lifetime. Applying a late-cohort hazard to newly acquired customers can bias in the opposite direction. Compare the same timing, horizon, margin and discount assumptions.
How much data is enough?
There is no universal minimum number of months or years. Renewal exposure, censoring, variation, segment size and held-out error matter. Decline to present a decision-grade long-run forecast when uncertainty or model instability is material.
How should LTV affect the acquisition budget?
Use a matched cohort’s expected contribution before acquisition cost, subtract acquisition cost once, and assess uncertainty, runway, capacity and incremental returns. A ratio of 3:1 is a practitioner heuristic.
Should LTV include margin?
Label revenue and contribution LTV separately. For acquisition decisions, use relevant contribution costs. A constant gross-margin multiplier is a simplifying assumption; do not multiply an already contribution-based LTV by margin again.
Where this sits in the GTM World Model
LTV is a discounted expected-contribution estimate with explicit customer-survival, timing, horizon and cost assumptions. GRR/NRR do not identify customer survival, and no universal sBG haircut is applied.
How to cite this
@misc{shalvi_gtm_naive_ltv_vs_corrected_ltv_2026,
author = {Singh, Shalvi},
title = {Geometric LTV vs Heterogeneous-Churn LTV (Fader-Hardie sBG) — GTM World Model Comparison},
year = {2026},
url = {https://shalvisingh.com/gtm/vs/naive-ltv-vs-corrected-ltv}
} Singh, Shalvi. "Geometric LTV vs Heterogeneous-Churn LTV (Fader-Hardie sBG) — GTM World Model Comparison." shalvisingh.com, 2026. https://shalvisingh.com/gtm/vs/naive-ltv-vs-corrected-ltv